Rumi's FINAL DROWNING
&
Goldsmith's Silence of Grace
see
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&
Goldsmith's Silence of Grace
see
Read More below right
Rumi is describing the last/final stage
of spiritual development for a creature in form.
"The Neverborn** has regard neither for the "now" nor for the "end" of time; he has gazed upon the beginning and thus removed himself from the strictures of time and space by having completed the process of anamnesis, or recollection of his origin, a potentiality that lies dormant in most people. Because he knows the beginning, he knows what the infinite end is and is thus unconcerned with the "now."
*****
In quote below....worldlings DROWN in lower chakra realms/realities while Neverborn has already drowned in Divinity Alone....since before planet entry. (ew)
*****
"It is the drowned man over whom the water has complete control
The drowned man himself has no control over the water.
Every movement made by the drowned man..
indeed, every act and word that issue from him...
comes from the water, not from him.
He is just a "vehicle."
The Neverborns are like this.
They have died before death"
Signs of the Unseen
Rumi
**Replaced Neverborn for Rumi’s use of word “saint”..as “saint” has
many worldling/system connotations
ew
********
“When Desire reaches its end, amity turns to utter hostility.”
He (Mansur) said
“I am Real”…that is, I have passed away; only God remains.
To say this, that only He exists, is extreme humility and servitude.
It is pretentious and prideful to say,
“You are the Lord, and I am a servant,”
for by so saying you will have affirmed your own existence,
and duality necessarily follows.
When you say, “He is God,” there is also duality
because the use of the third-person “he” is not possible
unless there is a first-person “I.”
Therefore, since there is no existent thing other than God,
only He can say, “I am God.”
Mansur had passed away, and so his words were God’s.
p. 203
Signs of the Unseen - Rumi
From
Beyond Words and Thoughts
Joel Goldsmith
So if you want God be still; be still and let God function. Otherwise, you are letting your ego in, and what is worse, you are making graven images because whether you take a sentence and put it together and call it God-power or whether you take a wooden image and build it and make it God-power or you take a thought and make it God-power, what difference does it make? They are all graven images made by man.
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The only thing that is not made by man is what functions through man in the silence. That he has nothing to do with. So when I am asked for help, immediately, no matter what I am doing, thought stops, and then whatever comes through, it is the presence and power of God that does the work. Sometimes I know what it is; sometimes it comes through in a message; but ninety-nine times out of a hundred i never now.
Chapter Three
"Thou Shalt Not Make Unto Thee Any Graven Image"
pp. 40-41
of spiritual development for a creature in form.
"The Neverborn** has regard neither for the "now" nor for the "end" of time; he has gazed upon the beginning and thus removed himself from the strictures of time and space by having completed the process of anamnesis, or recollection of his origin, a potentiality that lies dormant in most people. Because he knows the beginning, he knows what the infinite end is and is thus unconcerned with the "now."
*****
In quote below....worldlings DROWN in lower chakra realms/realities while Neverborn has already drowned in Divinity Alone....since before planet entry. (ew)
*****
"It is the drowned man over whom the water has complete control
The drowned man himself has no control over the water.
Every movement made by the drowned man..
indeed, every act and word that issue from him...
comes from the water, not from him.
He is just a "vehicle."
The Neverborns are like this.
They have died before death"
Signs of the Unseen
Rumi
**Replaced Neverborn for Rumi’s use of word “saint”..as “saint” has
many worldling/system connotations
ew
********
“When Desire reaches its end, amity turns to utter hostility.”
He (Mansur) said
“I am Real”…that is, I have passed away; only God remains.
To say this, that only He exists, is extreme humility and servitude.
It is pretentious and prideful to say,
“You are the Lord, and I am a servant,”
for by so saying you will have affirmed your own existence,
and duality necessarily follows.
When you say, “He is God,” there is also duality
because the use of the third-person “he” is not possible
unless there is a first-person “I.”
Therefore, since there is no existent thing other than God,
only He can say, “I am God.”
Mansur had passed away, and so his words were God’s.
p. 203
Signs of the Unseen - Rumi
From
Beyond Words and Thoughts
Joel Goldsmith
So if you want God be still; be still and let God function. Otherwise, you are letting your ego in, and what is worse, you are making graven images because whether you take a sentence and put it together and call it God-power or whether you take a wooden image and build it and make it God-power or you take a thought and make it God-power, what difference does it make? They are all graven images made by man.
****
The only thing that is not made by man is what functions through man in the silence. That he has nothing to do with. So when I am asked for help, immediately, no matter what I am doing, thought stops, and then whatever comes through, it is the presence and power of God that does the work. Sometimes I know what it is; sometimes it comes through in a message; but ninety-nine times out of a hundred i never now.
Chapter Three
"Thou Shalt Not Make Unto Thee Any Graven Image"
pp. 40-41
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