The drowned man himself has no control over the water.
Every movement made by the drowned man..
indeed, every act and word that issue from him...
comes from the water, not from him.
He is just a "vehicle."
The Neverborns are like this.
They have died before death"
Signs of the Unseen
Rumi
of spiritual development for a creature in form.
"The saint (Neverborn)* has regard neither for the "now" nor for the "end" of time;
he has gazed upon the beginning and thus removed himself from the strictures of time and space
by having completed the process of anamnesis, or recollection of his origin,
a potentiality that lies dormant in most people.
Because he knows the beginning,
he knows what the infinite end is
and is thus unconcerned with the "now."
Rumi
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It is the drowned man over whom the water has complete control
The drowned man himself has no control over the water.
Every movement made by the drowned man..
indeed, every act and word that issue from him...
comes from the water, not from him.
He is just a "vehicle."
The Neverborns are like this.
They have died before death"
Signs of the Unseen
Rumi
*Replaced Neverborn for Rumi’s use of word “saint”..as “saint” has
many worldling/system connotations
It's actually
Neverborn/Neverdie
ew
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“When Desire reaches its end, amity turns to utter hostility.”
He (Mansur) said
“I am Real”…that is, I have passed away; only God remains.
To say this, that only He exists, is extreme humility and servitude.
It is pretentious and prideful to say,
“You are the Lord, and I am a servant,”
for by so saying you will have affirmed your own existence,
and duality necessarily follows.
When you say, “He is God,” there is also duality
because the use of the third-person “he” is not possible
unless there is a first-person “I.”
Therefore, since there is no existent thing other than God,
only He can say, “I am God.”
Mansur had passed away, and so his words were God’s.
p. 203
Signs of the Unseen - Rumi